Post subject: Gnome power management causing screen to black out randomly?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:49 am 
   
This is a Mandriva 2009.1 system running the Gnome desktop. I've been
using 2009.1 since May. System specs have not been changed since then.
Starting about a month ago at random times the screen will go black.
Moving the mouse or hitting a keyboard key will return the desktop. Once
recently, it locked up the system and needed a push of the reset button
to get it started again. I've only found a few vague references to
Gnomes power management perhaps being the culprit. Some of these
references date back to 2007 on up to June of 2009. I've never
encountered this weirdness out of Gnome in any of my versions of
Mandriva. Any thoughts on this one? Oh, and speaking of lock ups, why
the heck did they eliminate the Ctrl/Alt/Backspace command used to
restart X?
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 Post subject: Re: Gnome power management causing screen to black out randomly?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:29 am 
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 02:49 in alt.os.linux.mandriva, somebody
identifying as JTJersey wrote...

Quote:
This is a Mandriva 2009.1 system running the Gnome desktop. I've been
using 2009.1 since May. System specs have not been changed since
then. Starting about a month ago at random times the screen will go
black. Moving the mouse or hitting a keyboard key will return the
desktop.

I'm no expert on Gnome, but it sounds like you have a blank screensaver
engaged, and/or DPMS (Display Power Management System), which will
first switch the monitor into "standby", then into "suspend" after a
longer timeout, and then eventually into "soft off". Striking any key
on the keyboard or moving the mouse would bring back the monitor from
its lower power state and disengage the screensaver, unless the latter
is set up to require a password.

Quote:
Once recently, it locked up the system and needed a push of the reset
button to get it started again.

Didn't think of trying the magic System Requests first, did you? :p

Quote:
I've only found a few vague references to Gnomes power management
perhaps being the culprit.

Actually, Gnome - or any other desktop for that matter - only offers a
front-end to these power management settings. It's the X server that
actually handles them, via the video driver.

Quote:
Some of these references date back to 2007 on up to June of 2009.
I've never encountered this weirdness out of Gnome in any of my
versions of Mandriva. Any thoughts on this one?

Well, if you haven't set it up that way yourself and nobody else in your
household has had access to the machine via your account, then perhaps
one of the recent upgrades changed your configuration to enable these
features by default.

Quote:
Oh, and speaking of lock ups, why the heck did they eliminate the
Ctrl/Alt/Backspace command used to restart X?

Check */etc/X11/xorg.conf* for a line that says...

Option "DontZap" "on"

Change that to "off" and restart the X server. :-)

--
*Aragorn*
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)


 
 Post subject: Re: Gnome power management causing screen to black out randomly?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:09 pm 
Aragorn wrote:
Quote:
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 02:49 in alt.os.linux.mandriva, somebody
identifying as JTJersey wrote...

This is a Mandriva 2009.1 system running the Gnome desktop. I've been
using 2009.1 since May. System specs have not been changed since
then. Starting about a month ago at random times the screen will go
black. Moving the mouse or hitting a keyboard key will return the
desktop.

I'm no expert on Gnome, but it sounds like you have a blank screensaver
engaged, and/or DPMS (Display Power Management System), which will
first switch the monitor into "standby", then into "suspend" after a
longer timeout, and then eventually into "soft off". Striking any key
on the keyboard or moving the mouse would bring back the monitor from
its lower power state and disengage the screensaver, unless the latter
is set up to require a password.

Once recently, it locked up the system and needed a push of the reset
button to get it started again.

Didn't think of trying the magic System Requests first, did you? :p

I've only found a few vague references to Gnomes power management
perhaps being the culprit.

Actually, Gnome - or any other desktop for that matter - only offers a
front-end to these power management settings. It's the X server that
actually handles them, via the video driver.

Some of these references date back to 2007 on up to June of 2009.
I've never encountered this weirdness out of Gnome in any of my
versions of Mandriva. Any thoughts on this one?

Well, if you haven't set it up that way yourself and nobody else in your
household has had access to the machine via your account, then perhaps
one of the recent upgrades changed your configuration to enable these
features by default.

Oh, and speaking of lock ups, why the heck did they eliminate the
Ctrl/Alt/Backspace command used to restart X?

Check */etc/X11/xorg.conf* for a line that says...

Option "DontZap" "on"

Change that to "off" and restart the X server. :-)


Even when you are using KDE4 it is enough to only once log
in to the Gnome desktop (out of curiosity) to invoke the
screensaver/powersave. Once back in KDE you cannot override
this setting using "Configure your Desktop". You HAVE to log
in to Gnome again - change the setting - and log back in to KDE.

That's again a reason I avoid Gnome like the plauge.
Settings are changed "desktop(s)wide" without any
conformation. The developpers seems to think they can
dictate "what is good for you" and change your carefully
tweaked settings without even asking...

I guess there are people that really like this, but I am not
one of them...


 
 Post subject: Re: Gnome power management causing screen to black out randomly?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:46 pm 
Quote:
Check */etc/X11/xorg.conf* for a line that says...

Option "DontZap" "on"

Change that to "off" and restart the X server. :-)


I'd give credit to who sent the above but it got lost in my following the
OP's post. See, I'm using 2000.1 also and have the same problen and I'll
try the fix the next time I boot Mandriva.

And as far as Mandriva wanting to install some updates occasionally,
things I don't want, it pops up again and I say no again. That gets a bit
on my nerves. And it did want to install the Nvida driver for me but I'd
already done that with the latest from Nvida's web site.

Now sound juicer doesn't want to work correctly, Gnome seems to be falling
apart. I hate to install another, but I think I'll install the 20010rc 64
over it soon. I was just getting to like the way it was running smothly
too.
--
Bud


 
 Post subject: Re: Gnome power management causing screen to black out randomly?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:34 am 
Aragorn writes:

Quote:
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 02:49 in alt.os.linux.mandriva, somebody
identifying as JTJersey wrote...

This is a Mandriva 2009.1 system running the Gnome desktop. I've been
using 2009.1 since May. System specs have not been changed since
then. Starting about a month ago at random times the screen will go
black. Moving the mouse or hitting a keyboard key will return the
desktop.

I'm no expert on Gnome, but it sounds like you have a blank screensaver
engaged, and/or DPMS (Display Power Management System), which will
first switch the monitor into "standby", then into "suspend" after a
longer timeout, and then eventually into "soft off". Striking any key
on the keyboard or moving the mouse would bring back the monitor from
its lower power state and disengage the screensaver, unless the latter
is set up to require a password.

Once recently, it locked up the system and needed a push of the reset
button to get it started again.

Didn't think of trying the magic System Requests first, did you? :p

I've only found a few vague references to Gnomes power management
perhaps being the culprit.

Actually, Gnome - or any other desktop for that matter - only offers a
front-end to these power management settings. It's the X server that
actually handles them, via the video driver.

Some of these references date back to 2007 on up to June of 2009.
I've never encountered this weirdness out of Gnome in any of my
versions of Mandriva. Any thoughts on this one?

Well, if you haven't set it up that way yourself and nobody else in your
household has had access to the machine via your account, then perhaps
one of the recent upgrades changed your configuration to enable these
features by default.

Oh, and speaking of lock ups, why the heck did they eliminate the
Ctrl/Alt/Backspace command used to restart X?

Check */etc/X11/xorg.conf* for a line that says...

Option "DontZap" "on"

Change that to "off" and restart the X server. :-)

I thought xorg.conf was on it's way out.
Isn't "xset q" still the right place to start?


 
 Post subject: Re: Gnome power management causing screen to black out randomly?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 2:51 am 
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 20:34 in alt.os.linux.mandriva, somebody
identifying as despen@verizon.net wrote...

Quote:
Aragorn writes:

On Tuesday 27 October 2009 02:49 in alt.os.linux.mandriva, somebody
identifying as JTJersey wrote...

Oh, and speaking of lock ups, why the heck did they eliminate the
Ctrl/Alt/Backspace command used to restart X?

Check */etc/X11/xorg.conf* for a line that says...

Option "DontZap" "on"

Change that to "off" and restart the X server. :-)

I thought xorg.conf was on it's way out.

Only if you're trusting /hald/ to configure X11 for you on the fly
whenever you start it. And I don't trust /hald/ all that much; I
consider it one of the many Windows'isms to have crept into GNU/Linux.

Quote:
Isn't "xset q" still the right place to start?

Anything you change via /xset/ will only hold for as long as you're
logged in. To make it permanent, */etc/X11/xorg.conf* would be a more
appropriate location for configuration. That's what it was intended
for. ;-)

--
*Aragorn*
(registered GNU/Linux user #223157)


 
 Post subject: Re: Gnome power management causing screen to black out randomly?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:37 am 
Aragorn writes:

Quote:
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 20:34 in alt.os.linux.mandriva, somebody
identifying as despen@verizon.net wrote...

Aragorn writes:

On Tuesday 27 October 2009 02:49 in alt.os.linux.mandriva, somebody
identifying as JTJersey wrote...

Oh, and speaking of lock ups, why the heck did they eliminate the
Ctrl/Alt/Backspace command used to restart X?

Check */etc/X11/xorg.conf* for a line that says...

Option "DontZap" "on"

Change that to "off" and restart the X server. :-)

I thought xorg.conf was on it's way out.

Only if you're trusting /hald/ to configure X11 for you on the fly
whenever you start it. And I don't trust /hald/ all that much; I
consider it one of the many Windows'isms to have crept into GNU/Linux.

Isn't "xset q" still the right place to start?

Anything you change via /xset/ will only hold for as long as you're
logged in. To make it permanent, */etc/X11/xorg.conf* would be a more
appropriate location for configuration. That's what it was intended
for. ;-)

Ah yes, forgot that run level 5 users don't have a .xinitrc.


 
 Post subject: Re: Gnome power management causing screen to black out randomly?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:30 am 
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 01:49:56 +0000, JTJersey wrote:

Quote:
This is a Mandriva 2009.1 system running the Gnome desktop. I've been
using 2009.1 since May. System specs have not been changed since then.
Starting about a month ago at random times the screen will go black.
Moving the mouse or hitting a keyboard key will return the desktop.
Once recently, it locked up the system and needed a push of the reset
button to get it started again. I've only found a few vague references
to Gnomes power management perhaps being the culprit. Some of these
references date back to 2007 on up to June of 2009. I've never
encountered this weirdness out of Gnome in any of my versions of
Mandriva. Any thoughts on this one? Oh, and speaking of lock ups, why
the heck did they eliminate the Ctrl/Alt/Backspace command used to
restart X?

Since I originally posted this I'm coming across more and more postings
on the net with the same complaint and it's not confined to Mandriva.
Apparently Ubuntu users have the same problem. Now the customer of one
of my recent Mandriva 2009.1 builds is complaining about the same thing.
He's not using a screen saver and has never enabled power management.
I've tried disabling both in my personal system with no success. This
morning my system went blank and came back on with a jiggle of the mouse
and then did it two more times in a span of ten minutes. I shut down and
ran Memtest86 for two hours, but no errors were reported. Since I
restarted 5 hours ago all has been well, but clearly a problem is
developing here. And everyone says the same thing, it seems to have
started a month or so ago, and it's not only occurring when the system is
idle. I've had it happen watching a video and actively working on a
document.
--
Registered Linux User #267152


 





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