On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 03:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques
wrote:

Quote:

On Oct 8, 1:03 am, T.L. Davis wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:58:23 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques



dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 3:21 pm, Moose47 wrote:

Also, a few of these Sukoi shots are Photo shopped. Doing a double
mirror blind side that close is a sure killer for a working display
pair! Trust me on this one You can do a rolling mirror break from
a section, as the Blues do, but a belly to belly sustained mirror pass
in my opinion can't be done. Canopy to canopy is another matter, but
you MUST have sight cues for a position paint.
On the "famous" Pugochev Cobra; even Pugechev laughs at the thought of
using it in an ACM context. It's the world's quickest trip to the Ps=0
line ever invented by man. Looks cool, and it's a great airshow
maneuver and indeed demonstrates the high AOA capability of a great
aircraft, but use that one on a hard charging shooter and you're most
likely history! )

Try telling the Canadian Snowbirds that any aerobatic maneuver can't
be done...

T. Davis

I've flown with the Snowbirds, and have actually done an aerobatic
evaluation flight in their number 10 Tutor. I have known the team
back to Col Phillip . I don't have to tell the Snows this as both
they and I already are well aware that many aerobatic maneuvers can't
be flown by an aerobatic team.
DH

I stand corrected by an expert, my apologies. But after seeing the
Snowbirds fly, I honestly thought that they could do anything.

Thans for the education,

T. Davis

On Oct 9, 2:49 am, T.L. Davis wrote:

Quote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 03:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques



dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 1:03 am, T.L. Davis wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:58:23 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques

dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 3:21 pm, Moose47 wrote:

Also, a few of these Sukoi shots are Photo shopped. Doing a double
mirror blind side that close is a sure killer for a working display
pair! Trust me on this one You can do a rolling mirror break from
a section, as the Blues do, but a belly to belly sustained mirror pass
in my opinion can't be done. Canopy to canopy is another matter, but
you MUST have sight cues for a position paint.
On the "famous" Pugochev Cobra; even Pugechev laughs at the thought of
using it in an ACM context. It's the world's quickest trip to the Ps=0
line ever invented by man. Looks cool, and it's a great airshow
maneuver and indeed demonstrates the high AOA capability of a great
aircraft, but use that one on a hard charging shooter and you're most
likely history! )

Try telling the Canadian Snowbirds that any aerobatic maneuver can't
be done...

T. Davis

I've flown with the Snowbirds, and have actually done an aerobatic
evaluation flight in their number 10 Tutor. I have  known the team
back to  Col Phillip  . I don't have to tell the Snows this as both
they and I already are well aware that many aerobatic maneuvers can't
be flown by an aerobatic team.
DH

I stand corrected by an expert, my apologies.  But after seeing the
Snowbirds fly, I honestly thought that they could do anything.

Thans for the education,

T. Davis

No sweat at all.

The Snows are one of the finest acro teams in the world and their show
routine is one of the most creative ever designed for a jet acro team.
They gear their entire routine toward crowd pleasure and their
precision as well with their marketing is a wonderful tribute to
Canada.

All the best.
DH

"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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On Oct 9, 2:49 am, T.L. Davis wrote:

Quote:

On Wed, 8 Oct 2008 03:15:56 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques



dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 1:03 am, T.L. Davis wrote:
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:58:23 -0700 (PDT), Dudley Henriques

dhenriq...@rcn.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 3:21 pm, Moose47 wrote:

Also, a few of these Sukoi shots are Photo shopped. Doing a double
mirror blind side that close is a sure killer for a working display
pair! Trust me on this one You can do a rolling mirror break from
a section, as the Blues do, but a belly to belly sustained mirror pass
in my opinion can't be done. Canopy to canopy is another matter, but
you MUST have sight cues for a position paint.
On the "famous" Pugochev Cobra; even Pugechev laughs at the thought of
using it in an ACM context. It's the world's quickest trip to the Ps=0
line ever invented by man. Looks cool, and it's a great airshow
maneuver and indeed demonstrates the high AOA capability of a great
aircraft, but use that one on a hard charging shooter and you're most
likely history! )

Try telling the Canadian Snowbirds that any aerobatic maneuver can't
be done...

T. Davis

I've flown with the Snowbirds, and have actually done an aerobatic
evaluation flight in their number 10 Tutor. I have known the team
back to Col Phillip . I don't have to tell the Snows this as both
they and I already are well aware that many aerobatic maneuvers can't
be flown by an aerobatic team.
DH

I stand corrected by an expert, my apologies. But after seeing the
Snowbirds fly, I honestly thought that they could do anything.

Thans for the education,

T. Davis

No sweat at all.

The Snows are one of the finest acro teams in the world and their show
routine is one of the most creative ever designed for a jet acro team.
They gear their entire routine toward crowd pleasure and their
precision as well with their marketing is a wonderful tribute to
Canada.
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On 7 Oct, 03:58, Dudley Henriques wrote:

Quote:

On Oct 6, 3:21 pm, Moose47 wrote:

The Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds do not do stunts.   They fly
precision aerobatic maneuvers in extreme close proximity to each
other.

Personally, I don't think the word stunt has any place in today's
modern aviation lexicon.

You're right. Mentioning the word "stunt" at either a Thunderbird or
Blues get together can get you the bar bill for the evening

Also, a few of these Sukoi shots are Photo shopped. Doing a double
mirror blind side that close is a sure killer for a working display
pair! Trust me on this one You can do a rolling mirror break from
a section, as the Blues do, but a belly to belly sustained mirror pass
in my opinion can't be done. Canopy to canopy is another matter, but
you MUST have sight cues for a position paint.
On the "famous" Pugochev Cobra; even Pugechev laughs at the thought of
using it in an ACM context. It's the world's quickest trip to the Ps=0
line ever invented by man. Looks cool, and it's a great airshow
maneuver and indeed demonstrates the high AOA capability of a great
aircraft, but use that one on a hard charging shooter and you're most
likely history! )

Dudley,
Berry Vissers images of the Su-27s are not photo shopped. They are a
combination of vantage point and use of long focal length lenses. The
aircraft are not as close as they appear in the images.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia-- ... 1023918/L/

http://www.aeroimage.co.uk/

Berry's other images

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... ro%20Image

TJ

On Oct 13, 6:36 pm, TJ wrote:

Quote:

On 7 Oct, 03:58, Dudley Henriques wrote:



On Oct 6, 3:21 pm, Moose47 wrote:

The Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds do not do stunts.   They fly
precision aerobatic maneuvers in extreme close proximity to each
other.

Personally, I don't think the word stunt has any place in today's
modern aviation lexicon.

You're right. Mentioning the word "stunt" at either a Thunderbird or
Blues get together can get you the bar bill for the evening

Also, a few of these Sukoi shots are Photo shopped. Doing a double
mirror blind side that close is a sure killer for a working display
pair! Trust me on this one You can do a rolling mirror break from
a section, as the Blues do, but a belly to belly sustained mirror pass
in my opinion can't be done. Canopy to canopy is another matter, but
you MUST have sight cues for a position paint.
On the "famous" Pugochev Cobra; even Pugechev laughs at the thought of
using it in an ACM context. It's the world's quickest trip to the Ps=0
line ever invented by man. Looks cool, and it's a great airshow
maneuver and indeed demonstrates the high AOA capability of a great
aircraft, but use that one on a hard charging shooter and you're most
likely history! )

Dudley,
Berry Vissers images of the Su-27s are not photo shopped. They are a
combination of vantage point and use of long focal length lenses. The
aircraft are not as close as they appear in the images.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia-- ... 1023918/L/

http://www.aeroimage.co.uk/

Berry's other images

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... h=Berry....

TJ

I've always been a lousy photographer so I can't speak to the angles
and lenses. Could very well be a perspective factor.
All I'm saying in my post is that viewed normally and assuming no
perspective issues, the positions of the two aircraft as shown in
mirror flight would be impossible to execute.
Great shots though!

On Oct 13, 6:36 pm, TJ wrote:

Quote:

On 7 Oct, 03:58, Dudley Henriques wrote:



On Oct 6, 3:21 pm, Moose47 wrote:

The Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds do not do stunts.   They fly
precision aerobatic maneuvers in extreme close proximity to each
other.

Personally, I don't think the word stunt has any place in today's
modern aviation lexicon.

You're right. Mentioning the word "stunt" at either a Thunderbird or
Blues get together can get you the bar bill for the evening

Also, a few of these Sukoi shots are Photo shopped. Doing a double
mirror blind side that close is a sure killer for a working display
pair! Trust me on this one You can do a rolling mirror break from
a section, as the Blues do, but a belly to belly sustained mirror pass
in my opinion can't be done. Canopy to canopy is another matter, but
you MUST have sight cues for a position paint.
On the "famous" Pugochev Cobra; even Pugechev laughs at the thought of
using it in an ACM context. It's the world's quickest trip to the Ps=0
line ever invented by man. Looks cool, and it's a great airshow
maneuver and indeed demonstrates the high AOA capability of a great
aircraft, but use that one on a hard charging shooter and you're most
likely history! )

Dudley,
Berry Vissers images of the Su-27s are not photo shopped. They are a
combination of vantage point and use of long focal length lenses. The
aircraft are not as close as they appear in the images.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Russia-- ... 1023918/L/

http://www.aeroimage.co.uk/

Berry's other images

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.s ... h=Berry....

TJ

Just took a look at his work. The guy is an excellent photographer!!!!
DH

when doing similar tricks over Zhukovsky AB, they fly above left/right
runway sides, so it's quite far from each other

Yuri

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